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Does Moderation Work?
20 Jul 2019
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What is moderation? The idea of having some of these 'once in a while': meat, fish, eggs, dairy, processed foods, refined grains, oil, sugar — all of these are highly discouraged in Whole Food Plant-Based guidelines. Does it work?
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Excerpts from Basic Diet Orders: Teaching Patients Good Health Practices:

"Flexibility often leads to failure!" Excerpts from a pretty good article targeted at physicians on how to guide patients:

"Encourage an optimal diet. Diet studies show that patients sometimes follow their doctors's orders and sometimes do not, but the more significant the changes their doctors recommend, the more changes patients actually accomplish. If a doctor recommends as close to an optimal diet as possible, the likelihood of patients making at least some healthful changes is higher than if the doctor recommends only minor changes."

"A contrary view is that, for many patients, recommended diet changes may be more effective if they are gradual, stepwise, and communicated with the understanding that perfection is not expected. This view is common among clinicians but is at odds with clinical experience with other types of lifestyle changes, such as smoking cessation or substance abuse treatment, where flexibility often leads to failure."

"A reasonable solution is to prescribe an optimal diet, while avoiding any semblance of moralizing when patients have lapses. It should be recognized that guilt and secrecy often characterize dietary behavior. A physician can coach patients through the routine difficulties of diet change, while helping patients set aside guilt and blame."

Dr Greger

At offset 44:23 of this video, Dr Greger explains:

"Just like moderate changes in diet usually result in modest reductions in cholesterol, asking patients with diabetes to make moderate changes achieves equally moderate results! which is one possible reasoning they end up on drugs, injections or both. Everything in moderation is a truer statement than people realize. Moderate changes in diet can leave one with moderate blindness, moderate kidney failure, moderate amputations, "maybe just a few toes!". Moderation in all things is not necessarily a good thing. The more we as physicians ask our patients, the more we are likely to get. The old adage, "shoot for the moon" seems to apply, and may be more effective than limiting patients to small steps that sound more manageable but are not sufficient to actually stop the disease."

In this video: Diabetes Reversal: Is It The Calories Or The Food? (6 mins, 2016), Dr Greger says,

"Just like moderate changes in diet usually result in only modest reductions in cholesterol, asking people with diabetes to make moderate changes often achieves equally moderate results, which is one possible reason why most end up on drugs, injections, or both. Everything in moderation may be a truer statement than people realize. Moderate changes in diet can leave one with moderate blindness, moderate kidney failure, and moderate amputations. Moderation in all things is not necessarily a good thing."

In this blog article: How Not to Die from Heart Disease (2019), Dr Greger says,

"Sure, you could choose moderation and hit yourself with a smaller hammer, but why beat yourself up at all? I don't tell my smoking patients to cut down to half-a-pack a day. I tell them to quit. Sure, smoking a half pack is better than two packs, but we should try to put only healthy things into our mouths."

Another article: (2019) Moderation Kills

(13 mins, 2022) If Everything You Eat In Moderation Is Unhealthy It's Still Going To Kill You

A panel discussion with Michael Greger, Julieanna Hever, Milton Mills, Brenda Davis.

(2015) Everything in Moderation? Even Heart Disease?

(3 mins) Transcript. Dr Greger's summary: "Health authorities appear to have taken the patronizing view that the public can't handle the truth and would rather the science be watered down."

Dr Peter Rogers

Is moderation okay? No! In this 3-min video, Dr Roger Rogers explains how even tiny amounts of wrong foods (say, 5 ml of cooking oil) actually damage our tissues in so many different parts of our body. The damage is small and imperceptible. However, just like rivers cut through mountains to create valleys over long periods of time, tissue damage due to wrong foods cumulates over time to cause heart disease, inflammation, cognitive impairment, liver damage, kidney damage, and so on.

(3 mins, 2022) MRI Metaphor For Eating Oil
Dr Ostfeld
(2 mins, 2022) Do You Have To Be 100% Plant-based To See Benefits

Dr Ostfeld argues that benefits from a plant-based diet lie on a continuum. We start seeing benefits from 50% threshold onwards. Howver, at 90%, we see significant benefits. And if we are suffering from a chronic illness like heart disease, Dr Ostfeld emphasizes 100%.

Panel Discussion

In this panel discussion (9 mins, 2017), the question to the panel was: Let's say we have two individuals A and B: they both follow these WFPB guidelines like zero processed foods (on chips, no sodas, no cookies, … no added oils and no added sugars. But the difference between them is: A eats plant-only; B eats mostly plants but some chicken and fish occasionally. What's the difference between them in terms of their likelihood for preventing and curing chronic lifestyle diseases?

Dr Baxter Montgomery:

"When people with severe or advanced disease come to us there is very little room for error."

"The analogy I give is: if you just put a little bit of cyanide in your coffee every morning, okay, how far would you have to run to run it off? Cyanide is low in calories and low in carbs, by the way. The point is that it's poison! We have to understand that a little bit of chicken and a little bit of fish: the biochemistry of these foods — it's not the calories, not the fats and not those other things; it's the biochemistry of these foods — that's abnormal for our system. So that's why a small amount is too much because it's like putting a little bit of cyanide in your coffee every morning. It may not kill you right then and there but it's enough to make you sick because of the abnormal biochemistry of these substances.

Dr Pam Popper:

"After all those years in this business I shall say that for the sick, dietary therapy is sometimes like a 4 digits code to open the safe. You will not get 75% of the safe content if you input only 3 digits. You need to put all 4 to get anything!"

(9 mins, 2017) Healthy Plant-Based Diet Versus Healthy Chicken / Fish Diet
Other Doctors
Can A Single Meal Impair Our Health?

Yes! See these articles:

  1. Can A Single Meal Impair Arterial Function? How? A single high fat meal makes our blood viscous and transluscent; it impairs arterial function; these effects can be noticed within a few hours.
  2. How to Get Diabetes In Six Hours? Dr Nick Delgado Demonstrates.

Stress and Moderation

Food addictions: WFPB doctors explain that meat, fish, eggs, dairy, processed foods, oil and sugar are addictive! See Which Foods Are Addictive? and Overcoming Addictions. Now imagine cigarette smoking or alcohol addiction. How would we de-addict ourselves? What would our approach be? Would moderation work for you? Maybe for some people. For the vast majority of us, it's best to draw a clear line and not to touch alcohol and smoking at all. A similar approach is best for addictive foods too.

Moderation is a slippery slope: Once we eat 'a little bit' of an addictive food, we feel like eating more. That's how addiction works — we get urges to engage in an addictive activity repeatedly :)

While I may be able to execute 'moderation' when I'm in a joyful and calm state of mind; my ability to execute 'moderation' diminishes when I'm facing stressful situations.

Stress: Stress could be triggered by friction with loved ones; stress at work; unexpected events that cause us grief or anxiety or anger or fear or other negative emotions. It's exactly during such situations that our boundaries play an important role. During these times, it's easy to eat 2.0 servings of a 'healthy packaged food' instead of 1.0 and we kick off a negative cycle of 'over-eating → stress → over-eating → stress → …'

With a support person (spouse, siblings or parents), it's easier to practice moderation (the support person helps us). But what happens to those who are single or without supportive partners? It's considerably difficult for them because it requires a lot of self discipline.

I find it easier to have strict boundaries like 'no sugar ever, no matter what happens'. In stressful times, when our will power is being tested, strict boundaries are difficult to break; on the other hand, when we practice 'moderation', we succumb to the proverbial 'slippery slope'; we start consuming multiple servings of "a little bit" of an addictive food.

Yama, Niyama: People like me need hard boundaries: black and white; not grey. This is very similar to the first limb of Ashtanga Yoga: 'yama' :) We should simply not do certain things, ever.

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